There is much to be said about the value of living a life where you feel fulfilled and passionate about what you do. For some, this includes starting a family or building a business from the ground up. For others, their main passion is helping others. Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober has dedicated her life to helping others discover pieces of themselves they didn’t know existed through her Enneagram coaching. In this episode, she will be sharing the importance of understanding not only how you operate, but also how others operate too—and how this can improve the way you connect or communicate with others moving forward.
Listen in as Ashton explains each of the personality types, as well as what motivates them. You will learn why self-awareness is crucial, the common fears of each Enneagram type, and whether your Enneagram type can change over time.
What You’ll Learn:
The importance of being self-aware.
How to improve your way of communicating with others.
What the Enneagram is.
What motivates each personality type.
The challenge of discovering your Enneagram type if you surround yourself with other types.
Ideas Worth Sharing:
“It’s important to understand why you do the things that you do.” - Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober
“A lot of people have anxiety, but it doesn’t mean we are all sixes.” - Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober
“It can be challenging to figure out our type when we are surrounded by others who act a certain way.” - Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober
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TRANSCRIPT:
Molly Dare 0:07
Hello and welcome to On Air with Molly dare. I'm your host, Molly dare, founder of Hillenbrand media, producer of the Spotlight series on air host of this podcast and single mom of two amazing teen girls, here today interviewing Ashton whitmoyer-ober. She is also known as EnneagramAshton, for those of you who follow her on Instagram, you know, it's so interesting, I have been hearing about Enneagram forever for years. But really, in the past year or two, it's just come up in conversation when people are like, Oh, I'm an Enneagram, number two, or four or eight. And I'm like, What? Are you guys even talking? I have no idea what this is. But so many people are using it and and saying, Oh, well, you know, they're an Enneagram Four. So I have to talk to them and this way, and like, how do you even find this out? How do you even know what your number is. And when whenever there's something that I don't know about i immediately have to go and read up about it and have to find all the things, all the experts in the field so that I can understand what everyone's discussing. And so I started, I took my Enneagram quiz. And I'm a three for those who are wondering, I am a three. And I really fell in love with this idea and how people are are kind of split into all these different personality types. But it's not even that it's more of what motivates each of these personality types. And I'm telling you, when you understand the motivation behind people, it's a lot easier to understand than in business, in relationships with your children. In so many different relationship capacities, it's so much easier to understand how to talk with them, how to get what you want out of them, how to do business with them, how to parent them, how to be in a relationship with them, because we all speak different languages. Each personality type has its own kind of, you know, love language, or work language or friendship language, and they're not all the same. And I think it's really, really important. I think self awareness is one of the most attractive qualities and people I think being self aware not only about yourself, but that others think differently than you they operate differently than you. And if you're going to be in a partnership in work in business and life, you really need to understand how your partner works. Because a lot of times you're not married to the same type of personality, or you're not in business with the same type of personality. In fact, I would say and what I've discovered in you know, in my 43 years, is that the people that I work the best with, they excel where I do not, right, we're not the same people. And that is why it works. Because I need someone who covers my blind spots. I think it's really important if you're going into business, especially if you're going into a partnership with somebody, you really take stock on what you're really good at, like, write it down, what am I really good at? What do I bring to the table? I think it's good to really have that conversation with yourself. Right? So that's easy. But then you need the other column, what am I not great at? And write it down? What do I lack? What is not my strong suit? What could I be better at? What am I just not good at in business in life, whatever this is. And then when you make that list, hire accordingly. Hire someone where those things where you lack or you're less than in? That's their strong suit. And when you do that, it's like perfect match, you know, but you have to also understand that people that excel in the places that you don't they operate differently than you. And I think it's really important that you understand that, that you understand how they're made, how they react, when you have conflict, what is the best way to approach it to them that they understand it's not going to be the same way that you do. So I think this conversation is really, really important, especially if you're going into business with someone or you're already have a business partner is how they work, how they function, how to communicate with them in an effective way so that neither of you are wasting your time communicating in a way that either, you know, turns the other person off, gets them angry, get them defensive, because then you're going nowhere. So I hope you enjoy this conversation today. I hope you learned a lot about the Enneagram the different Enneagram types, how people operate, what excites them, what doesn't, how to approach them how not to, I think it's really, really important. And definitely follow Ashton on Instagram because she her posts are awesome. And they really discuss and dive deep, deep deep into each Enneagram type.
I think it's really, really important for your own self awareness for you to know which type you are, because it will all start making so much sense to you. I absolutely love every time she posts I'm like, Ah, yes. Okay, that makes sense. And I think honestly, in business, your best asset is people and the communication among your team among your people. And so if you can get that down to a science and you're doing pretty good. So let's go ahead and get ready for our interview with Ashton.
I am so excited to be joined by Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober otherwise known as @EnneagramAshton on Instagram, which is where you want to be following her. Ashton is an author of multiple books, public speaker, community psychologist and certified Enneagram educator, also a mama to enneababy, which we were just talking about. Ashton, thank you so much for joining me today, as I was saying the Enneagram has become a huge conversation piece amongst many of my friends, colleagues in relationships. And I was so excited to discover you and everything that you were putting out there really helping everybody understand the Enneagram, but also dive deeper into how it helps all of those relationships. And I find that there are two camps, there are those who know the enneagram who have just dove in or an are really trying to use it in all aspects of their life. And then those who know nothing about it, right? Because once you do discover it, you can't help it dive into all the things. Yeah. So as we get started here, and I can't wait to go through all of it. Can you give us a basic overview for those who don't know what this is? of what the enneagram is, and why people are so transformed by it?
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 6:18
Yeah. So I'm so excited to be here. Thanks so much for having me. And I love that you follow along. And I was so excited to see your name come across because I've been a big fan as well. And yeah, my baby turns one tomorrow, I was gonna say I think I have to start calling her enneatoddler because now it's like a enneababy is gone. You know what, just so sad again. Okay, so back to the task at hand. The Enneagram is an ancient typing system. Meaning that we use it to type ourselves to figure out not just who we are, but why we do the things that we do. So similar to other Personality Typing systems, such as Myers Briggs, Strength Finders, the DISC assessment, all of those that we're very familiar with. But what's different is that those personality tests will tell us our behaviors, you know, maybe we are an extrovert or an introvert, maybe we're a leader, or we kind of follow from behind. Whereas the Enneagram tells us why we do those things. So it's not about our behaviors, it's about the motivations behind our behaviors. And then within that, there are nine different types, nine different ways of viewing the world. So like nine different lenses. And so we all have a type, we have our type from a very young age from birth, obviously, we don't have the language to, you know, talk about it until much later in life. But it is more of a nature versus nurture system, in that our type will not change, our behaviors might change, right? But remember that enneagram is about motivations, our motivations will stay the same.
Molly Dare 8:05
I'm so glad you said that, because he touched on one of the questions that I had. Yeah. As I was reading your book, which is amazing. Everybody needs a copy of this. Absolutely. I was obsessed with it. But not just, you know, of course, I immediately and I think this is common went to mine, right?
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 8:19
Everyone does that.
Molly Dare 8:21
But then I wanted to read them all. Because as you say, you know, it's so important. And the whole purpose of the Intagram is not only to understand yourself in your own motivations, but to the other people around you, you know, well, and then of course, I gave the test to my daughters. So I have two daughters, two teens, and I got their numbers. Now I was surprised by both. And that leads to something that you make a really good point about is you should never type somebody out
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 8:45
right.
Molly Dare 8:46
Because you don't know their motivations of why they do what they do. We see kind of the results and the surface of it, but not the intent and the motivation. And I thought that was really surprising.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 8:56
Yeah, because we are only seeing the behaviors of others, right? Unless you're having like an in depth conversation with them about why they're behaving in such ways. But we don't often know their motivations. And so it's very easy for us, as we're, you know, reading Enneagram materials to be like, Oh, that sounds like my sister or that sounds like my neighbor down the street. I think that's natural for us to do that when we're comparing it to the stereotypical behaviors of each type, which there are there are stereotypical behaviors. You know, like I mentioned extroverted versus introverted before, most sevens are extroverted, like that's just why or that's just how it is. But the motivation behind that is because they're seeking contentment. And so they're constantly wanting to experience new things, go on adventures, you know, be outside of the house because they're looking for that contentment. So that's the difference.
Molly Dare 9:53
Yeah, I love that. It was such a honestly it was a really fascinating conversation with my two girls as we First, I answered all the questions. And then when I read them, you know, their chapter, and we kind of discussed it. And I said, I was like, I'm surprised. And they're like, I'm not. Yeah, it's clearly it's. And it honestly, it helped me understand so much better why they do the things they do and why they respond certain ways to me. And we're each different numbers, you know, which I found fascinating. I'm a three, my youngest is a four, and my oldest is a one. Okay, so and we're going to go through all these numbers in a second. But you know, another quote that I really loved from your book that really helped me kind of understand was the Enneagram doesn't put you in a box, it shows you the box you are already in and how to get out of it. And I thought that I'm like, that really was like a mind opening kind of phrase for me to really understand. And how awesome is it to really understand what motivates the people that you're with? Because that's the work in relationships. That's very helpful. So I would love to go if it's okay with you through the nine types?
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 11:00
Absolutely.
Molly Dare 11:01
Because I'm sure my audience goes, runs the whole gamut. Yeah. So let's start with number one. That's, that's my youngest is a number one, how would you describe what motivates number one.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 11:12
So enneagram ones are also called the reformer. And they are often motivated by a desire to appear as a good person. So that's why they're rule followers. They are concerned about right versus wrong. It's really like black and white, no gray area, they're very concerned about just being a good person doing the right thing.
Molly Dare 11:36
Absolutely.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 11:37
Yeah. I was gonna say that Enneagram to, which is me, that's called the helper, and they want to be loved and wanted. So their biggest desire is to be loved and want to their biggest fear then being not loved, and unwanted. And that's why they often help people or put themselves out there because they want to feel needed by others. They want to feel like they have a purpose in their life.
Molly Dare 12:04
So I am a wing two so can you stop for one second? Yeah, so discuss what wings mean to enter?
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 12:11
Absolutely. So your wings are going to be your numbers on either side of your main type. A common misconception, and I talk about this a lot in my book is that it's just your second highest score. And my feelings on tests in general is that they're a great place to start. But you often cannot end there, there are so many times I'm working with people who come to me and they've scored high on a specific number, and then they don't end up being that type. Because a lot of tests are designed to test for behaviors. And like I said, with the Enneagram, being about motivations, you're not able to answer some of those clarifying questions that you can by, you know, researching more talking with somebody things like that. So with the wings, then people assume well, this must be my wing, because it's the second highest score, but your wings must be on either side of your type. And so you could have that as your second highest score, but it also might not be. And the goal of or the purpose of the wings is you're pulling characteristics from them. So you may pull behavior characteristics from your wings. So for you with a three, a three with a two wing, you are probably you know, wanting to create purpose in your life and to be a helper, and to focus on serving others and things like that. So that's kind of how those come in and come to play. But your main motivation will always stay with your main type.
Molly Dare 13:41
Yeah, so good. So let's get to three. That's my number. Yeah, of course, I'm very invested in this one.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 13:48
The three is the achiever.
Molly Dare 13:49
Yeah, go ahead and say what it is, and then I'll see what I found interesting about,
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 13:52
okay, the three is the achiever. And so they are focused on achieving, but it's because their motivations are to be seen as valuable, to be respected. And really, because they fear failure. So a big fear of theirs is also like not being seen as valuable, but they fear failure because of that.
Molly Dare 14:13
Yeah. And you know, what was interesting, and also to my daughters with their personality types is, you know, and as you're reading your book, you have to be really, really open and self aware, because there's pros to your personality. And there's some cons to your personality, I think that are new need to work on, let's say, and it was so mind opening for me to really read in depth, what my personality means and why I'm motivated to do it. And the deeper levels, which are not all positive, you know, at times, and I think it's really important and like it's always in my head. Now, as I'm thinking about that, as I'm saying yes to certain things, or what is my true motivation in what I'm doing and is this authentically me, or am I doing it to be seen as a certain way? And that's like such an interesting question.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 15:00
Yes, it's challenging, right? So like, as a two, I also have to check myself a lot and be like, am I having a hard time saying no to this, because I want the validation that I will get from helping somebody you know, and like that feels uncomfortable to admit, right. Or like, you know, a lot of twos will sit here and be like, I serve out of the goodness of my heart, you know, like, I don't ever expect anything in return. But if you're really honest with yourself, like a lot of twos and threes struggle with this to where they're doing something to you'll get something in return. For twos that often looks like appreciation. And for threes, it often looks like credit, right? So they love to be like celebrated for the things that they do and their achievements.
Molly Dare 15:49
So true. And I think it's just it's a really important question to always ask yourself, and so I'm so glad that I read that part about myself, because it does change kind of how I approach things and what I say yes to. Alright, so let's move to number four, that is my youngest daughter's a number four.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 16:04
So the four is the individual list. So their biggest desire is to be seen as unique, special, significant. And then they often fear that something's wrong with them, that they're defective, that they're kind of like the black sheep. So they want to be different, but they don't want something to be wrong with them. And so they are the most emotional type on the Enneagram. And that's never a bad thing, you know, but that is stereotypically what they're associated with is feeling the things. What they have to be careful for is when they like internalize all of those feelings, and then they can become moody, depressed, self absorbed, things like that.
Molly Dare 16:43
So I want to stop you there as well. Because you did mention that you are your number. This is one of the questions. Are you the same number throughout your entire life? Does that ever change? And is there an age that you should wait to take the Enneagram test? Or can you take it at any age?
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 17:00
I always see teenage years. Okay,and how old are your girls?
Molly Dare 17:05
13 and 16
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 17:06
Yeah, I probably wouldn't go younger than 13. Yeah. Especially because i I'll be interested to see if she still feels like four is her type when she's older. Because I don't know about you. But when I was a 13 year old girl, it was like, all the drama, right? Give me all my drama. I'm going to sit and cry and love how it feels. Right.
Molly Dare 17:32
And also some of the questions. I think when a little over her.. Do you know what I mean they mean it's a lot of self introspective questions. Yeah, that my my 16 year old I think was pretty good at answering but not my 13 with a little lost on.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 17:44
Yeah. So I'll be interested in in seeing that, if that remains or not. Certainly some, you know, obviously, there are a lot of fours out there. So certainly, that has stayed the same for a lot. But yeah, I think it's difficult to as a teenager to sit with yourself and be like, why am I doing these things? Or like, Why do I feel the need to sit in my room and cry? Because it feels good? You know? Is it because I want people to you know, think like, oh, something's wrong with with her or like, I want that attention from that. Or, you know, is it something else? So that'll be interesting as a follow up?
Molly Dare 18:22
Absolutely. And as I you know, said before, to any parents listening, who have teenagers, it really was a great exercise, getting them to talk because you know how hard it is to get interest and talk about what they're going through how they're feeling. And it also made me understand there's so many times that we're like, oh, I don't understand why she does that, right? Because they're so different than I would react. And now I understand better. I'm telling you, it was a really, really great exercise for parents and teens. Yeah. All right. Let's move on to number five.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 18:48
Yeah, so five is the investigator, they are going to be the most introverted or quiet type on the Enneagram. And that's because they just value protecting their resources. So sometimes that looks like you know, putting up walls and then keeping people out. Sometimes that looks like retreating or withdrawing, but they often withdrawn to their knowledge, wanting to gain knowledge, and research things and just spend that time in solitude.
Molly Dare 19:20
Okay, so they're the most introverted of the Yeah, yeah.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 19:23
Holidays are hard for fives.
Molly Dare 19:26
Would they be the people who have like, kind of social anxiety? They get their battery drains fast and social situations?
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 19:31
Absolutely. So they need time to prepare for the social situation. They need to make sure they have like an exit strategy, you know, things like that.
Molly Dare 19:42
Yeah, makes sense. I'm trying not to type people in my life.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 19:45
I know. I know. It's hard. I know. Yeah.
Molly Dare 19:49
All right, number six.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 19:51
So six is the loyalist. So stereotypically, on all of the social media pages on the internet, you're going to see See that anxiety is associated with the six. I hate that they use the word anxiety because I think a lot of us have anxiety and it doesn't make us sixes, right. And a lot of sixes don't have diagnosed Generalized Anxiety Disorder, what they're really talking about for the sixes is like a sense of worry, or self doubt, or worst case scenario thinking. And that's because of their fear of well Fear Itself, they have a fear of fear. But then they're also desiring to have security and safety and things like that. And not just physical safety, but emotional safety as well.
Molly Dare 20:39
Sure. And that's the number I actually thought that my daughter was going to be. So again, it really is fascinating to me, what is something that a six should work on?
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 20:50
Stepping out of their comfort zone, so So oftentimes, they do things because they feel safe and secure to them. But then they're kind of stuck in that way of being, you know, instead of getting out to and not saying they have to, like, you know, go skydiving or anything crazy. But they often and because they are so loyal, they stay in situations that aren't good for them at times, whether that be toxic friendships, toxic relationships, toxic work environments, whatever that looks like. But oftentimes, they will stay because of that loyalty. And so being confident enough to stand on their own.
Molly Dare 21:29
Interesting. So number seven, when I did the poll on my stories of what number people thought I was, most people picked seven.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 21:37
But did you see that? I guessed yours right away?
Molly Dare 21:39
You got it, right? Of course you did.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 21:42
I was nervous, because I was like, if I get this wrong. I was right, though. So the seven is the enthusiast, and the seven and the three can look similar behavior. Right? So they're both, you know, pretty social, outgoing, charismatic, you know, but the motivations are different. So for sevens, they have a fear of missing out. But ultimately, they have this fear of being trapped in emotional pain. So they do everything that they can to avoid negativity. That's why they are often, you know, typed is like the life of the party, or, you know, they have all this energy and things like that. They also just are desiring contentment. So they want to be content. They want to, they're constantly seeking, like the next thing, because they feel like that'll bring the contentment for them.
Molly Dare 22:33
Great. And I you know, it was interesting, because, you know, you said kind of fear of missing out the FOMO that, you know, a lot of people feel, and someone brought up to me that there's JOMO, which is more of what I feels like the joy of missing out, which is what I was kind of you were talking about Thanksgiving and how my kids can go to their, their dads. So it's a day where I get to myself, and I don't mind it, like I actually have joy of being in my home environment, having a day to my self, which is so interesting. Alright, number eight.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 23:02
So eight is the Challenger, they're going to be the most direct and authoritative type. And this is because they have a fear of being seen as weak. And so they make sure that people don't see them that way. So they resist vulnerability. They resist showing emotions at times, you know, things like that, with their biggest desire to protect themselves and others. So they want to appear as being in control, right? Being in charge, and not having people kind of like undermine their power.
Molly Dare 23:37
Hmm, interesting. And what do eights need to work on?
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 23:41
Their tone? Typically? Maybe I'm just being biased, because my sister is an 8
Molly Dare 23:47
I'm thinking of someone, too, I'm like, yeah, totally.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 23:50
Yeah. I always say like, my sister is an eight. I'm a two, like I said, and so it was we were essentially polar opposites growing up, whereas I was like, just let me love you. And she's like, Get away from me. And like, don't talk about lovey dovey things ever. And for my entire life until I discovered the Enneagram. I just thought she was yelling at me all the time. And through discovering the Enneagram I realize that she's just passionate. Yeah, and that she never thought she was yelling at me. Right. So
Molly Dare 24:22
great word to describe it. Yeah, yeah, passionate.
Unknown Speaker 24:26
But one thing that they can recognize is that a lot of people don't communicate in that way. Right? And so softening their tone can be helpful. Learning to embrace vulnerability and, and really seek to understand other people is, you know, helpful for bringing out that empathetic side that is there for eights. It's just hard sometimes.
Molly Dare 24:48
Dig a little deeper there.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 24:49
Yeah. All right. And then finally number nine.
Yeah, so the nine is the peacemaker. So they are the ones that are going to be the most conflict averse. So they're trying to maintain the peace, their biggest desire is to just maintain a peaceful environment for everybody to get along, things like that, and their biggest fear is conflict itself because the conflict will disrupt their peace.
Molly Dare 25:17
Oh, interesting. And what should a nine work on?
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 25:21
nine's really struggle with voicing their own opinions, their own desires, they kind of just go along with whatever anybody else wants to do. Because that maintains the peace. So just, you know, strengthening their voice strengthening the opportunity to share what they're thinking.
Molly Dare 25:39
Now, it was interesting to me as I was reading through the book that I and I know we're not supposed to do this, but I couldn't help. For each number. I'm like, oh, that's this this this this person? And this is this person. Literally one through nine, I had a whole gamut of people in my life. Is that normal? Do typically people gravitate towards certain numbers? Or does everyone have like all the numbers? Is that normal?
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 26:01
Like, for as far as like connection? Or relationships?
Molly Dare 26:04
Yeah, I think just when I look at, like, let's say, the 20 people closest to me, they are spread out among the nine. Yeah. Is that normal? Or do people really kind of gravitate towards certain numbers?
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 26:16
I think that, you know, I could go either way, I think it's normal to have like a span of numbers. I think that part of that is understanding each other and understanding, you know, what makes them tick and why they do the things that they do. I think in my life, personally, I have a ton of seven friends. I don't know why that is a ton of sevens. But then I think I sometimes can act like a seven. And I'm wondering if I take that on from them? So do you see what I'm saying? Where like absolutely, it can be challenging at times to figure out our type, then if we are surrounded by people who are acting a certain way. And you know, I'm like, well i have FOMO? Like, if they're doing something? I want to do it? You know, so,
Molly Dare 27:04
absolutely. And something that you said in the book, when I was looking at my friends, I used to be like, Well, I have all these different personality types, because they each bring out something different in me that yeah, I'm rethinking or do I change when I'm around each of them, right, because of who I am and how I act.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 27:21
So And honestly, this not is very typical for a three, we often call the three the chameleon because they can adjust to who they need to be.
Molly Dare 27:30
So interesting. I've got a lot of work to do. As I mentioned, you know, my daughters, and I do think it's a great, you know, book to go through with them. But you also have a book, which I'm going to bring over here, I have a copy of it as well. Yeah, called the two of us a three year couples journal, which is you guys, it's huge. And it's three years of questions and amazing tool for relationship. I'm single at the moment, but I'm telling you, I'm really, really big on communication. Because when I look back at the relationships that I've had, the biggest problem was misunderstanding, miscommunication, not understanding each other. I wish I knew the Enneagram and all the person I know. Because I probably would have understood a little bit better, why they acted the way they acted and why they said and chose to do the things that they did. But I do want to discuss or have you discussed this as well, and how people can use the tool?
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 28:22
Yeah, so the two of us is a three year couples journal, where you're asked to answer the same questions year to year. So today, as we're recording this, I think it's November 30. And so then I would answer November 30. Question today. And then next year, it would be the same question on November 30. And then the year after. And so the goal is to kind of track the progress on you know, things that have changed things that have stayed the same, and really to generate those conversations with your partner. And to you know, learn more about them. I feel like just by doing this, I've learned more things about my husband than than I actually knew, and especially those types. So it's not enneagram specific, but especially those types who struggle with talking about vulnerabilities and talking about feelings, it can be really impactful for their relationships.
Molly Dare 29:16
Well, I think it's so important, obviously, to communicate, right, but to ask the specific questions, and these are incredible prompts, as I was reading through them, to really get to the heart of of how someone is truly, truly feeling and not just giving kind of like a surface answer. And it's a great holiday New Year's balance sheet as well. So yeah, you know, that's fantastic, as well. Question, where's the best place for people to find out more about you and what you do?
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 29:41
Yeah. So I also wanted to say to that I actually have a third book coming out in January, that I was just able to start announcing. And so that one is just going to be on the Enneagram as a whole. There's going to actually be a self guided test in the beginning
Amazing
And I think it'll be a great way source for people. So that's coming out January 18. But you can find me on Instagram @EnneagramAshton, and Enneagram is spelled e n n e a G ra M. It's kind of a weird word. It's a Greek word, but @EnneagramAshton, and then you can also find me at Enneagramashton.com.
Molly Dare 30:20
And one last question before I let you go is what brought you to the Enneagram? What Yeah, like brought you to it? And why did it become such a big part of your life?
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 30:30
So I have degrees in psychology. So I have my bachelor's and master's degree in psychology have always been super interested in learning about not just myself, but other people. Even at a young age, when I would go to the bookstore with my mom, I'd be like, I'm going to the psychology section at an 11 years old, like, why would I do that? Nobody knows. But I've always been interested in that. And when I was in graduate school, trying to figure out, you know, who am I, what do I like to do? What am I doing with my life, I discovered the Enneagram and discover that I was a helper. And I knew that, you know, it doesn't matter what I do in my life, as long as I'm helping, as long as my job is fulfilling a purpose. And so, you know, that just goes to show that the Enneagram doesn't just help yourself, your relationships, your friendships, and it can also help you to, you know, look towards what it is you really want to do. And by capitalizing on your strengths.
Molly Dare 31:31
I love that you said that, you know, growing up, you went in to find the personality test because I was that person too. And I thought I was the only like, Clausing going in there. Like, I couldn't get enough of it. Yeah. I also majored in clinical psychology. Yeah. Because it was so fascinating to me how the mind works and how you know, people work. I find it fascinating.
Ashton Whitmoyer-Ober 31:50
I do, too. Yeah.
Molly Dare 31:51
Well, Ashton, thank you so much for joining me today and helping us all understand the Enneagram and its benefits. And I strongly encourage each and every one of you to follow her on Instagram @enneagramAshton because you post the best posts and resources. Each of the numbers helpful tools, including the best gifts to buy based on numbers, the biggest fears biggest desires, it really does help you understand and help others in our lives and the closest we get to living at our full potential and helping others reach theirs. I think it's really, really important. And thank you so much to everyone for joining us this week. And see you next week with another powerful interview in the hopes of inspiring you to pursue your passions.
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