Rachel Weintraub is a New York based Producer, Creative Consultant, Co-Creator and Executive Producer of Inside The Black Box, Showrunner of Facebook Live Audio Rooms, and Producer of the America Recovers Podcast. If that wasn’t enough, she also spent 8 years producing The View and has been nominated for 10 Emmy Awards during her illustrious career and has so many great stories from her side of show business.
In this episode, we talk about her experience producing The View, including what it was like working with Barbara Walters and which comedian was the most difficult guest she ever worked with. We also talk about the perks of being divorced, the importance of nurturing relationships before you ask for something, what it means to put yourself first so everyone wins, and Rachel’s advice for anyone who is looking to increase their visibility.
What You’ll Learn:
What it was like producing the hit daytime show The View.
How Rachel’s time as The View’s Producer evolved during her career with the show.
The most difficult guest that Rachel has ever worked with.
What Rachel’s work as a Creative Consultant entails.
What to expect from Inside The Black Box.
Rachel’s advice for those who are looking to increase their visibility.
Ideas Worth Sharing:
“I think a lot of people talk too much, I think a lot of people talk too little, and a lot of people take too long to say something and they make it so much more important than it needs to be.” - Rachel Weintraub
“I don’t like meeting people that I love because I like to keep the fantasy alive.” - Rachel Weintraub
“There’s nothing wrong with wanting to help people and make money at the same time.” - Rachel Weintraub
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Transcript:
Molly Dare 0:08
Hello and welcome to On Air with Molly dare. I am joined today by Rachel Weintraub, nominated for 10 Emmys co creator and executive producer on inside the black box just picked up for season two showrunner of the Facebook live audio rooms producer of the America recovers podcast, also working as a creative consultant for any of you looking to level up your exposure. Rachel, I am so excited to speak with you today. Rachel and I are dear friends. We have a great time.
Rachel Weintraub 0:39
My intro and I was like, you know, if I had an intro, Molly, what would I say? Because like, we know each other know each other. You know what I mean? And it's like, I hope to God by the time this airs The Black Box announcement has happened for season two, but it's looking really good.
Molly Dare 0:55
Oh, if not I'll edit it out.
Rachel Weintraub 0:58
Don't worry, Molly. I think we should put it out there.
Molly Dare 1:01
putting it out there in the universe.
Rachel Weintraub 1:04
interviewing a friend is really really funny, though. If I had an interview, I'd back I'd be like, okay, Molly Dare where do I start? Molly is like a genuinely fun kind person who makes everybody feel like a real friend. And like Molly has on air, she got the girls she's at cheer. She does. She does. She does the Spotlight Series. I mean, like, and I'd be like, Oh, I got in crisis management, like the list would keep going on and on and 10 minutes later be like, and she also does
Molly Dare 1:33
about you. But you've heard my intro 100 times on clubhouse, which is where you and I met for those who are men. I have deleted the app, which is the ultimate surprising move. No one would have expected plot twist. But we did meet on social audio. And I have to say, with all the annoyances of social audio, I am so so grateful. You being one on the top of my list for some of the amazing people that I met that I don't know, if I would have had a chance to meet. Although I try that feeling Rachel, you and I would have crossed paths. I just had this really,
Rachel Weintraub 2:07
I was gonna say Molly, inevitably, we would have met because we really do. I don't want to say like we go in the same circles, but certainly adjacent. And we've definitely like encountered a bunch of the same people. And honestly, it'd be like one trip to South Florida. And I know we'd end up at the same bar restaurant or something. So I am I'm grateful to have met you and there's like a handful of people. And you know, that's good. I mean, that's something really good to have come out of it. But yes, I too have deleted the app. I don't understand why. I just don't know what happened to it. It was like it was so much fun. And then all of a sudden, it's not.
Molly Dare 2:43
Oh, I know. we went back to work, we went back to life. And all of the really great, amazing people of high caliber and substance left because they got jobs again, working again. And it was no longer but it was no longer the excitement of who's going to come in the room and and what are you going to learn from them. It was like now you're listening to the same thing over and over again. However, what attracted me to Rachel and this is this goes for my life. I'm very attracted to people who are straight shooters, who tell you what you need to hear, not what you want to hear, right? I need those people in my life. I love those people. They are very few and far between also the truth tellers, right? And
Rachel Weintraub 3:23
you're the same way we have very different styles though. You're like the more refined truth teller. And I'm like the born in Brooklyn raised in Jersey and stuck on Long Island truth teller. So we say the same thing, but I would probably try to channel your delivery in certain situations.
Molly Dare 3:41
I have to ask Rachel, because I asked a lot of my guests. When you were young as a child, were you this direct and outspoken? Who did you get it from. tell me a little bit about you as a child?
Rachel Weintraub 3:53
Okay, I was born this way. I remember kindergarten graduation, every child walked up to the teacher was presented a diploma, the teacher kissed them. And the teacher kissed me. And I went AGHH in front of all the parents like, I have been like this... Santa Claus. I'm a Jewish girl. My mother took my brother and me to see Santa at the mall. And I sat on Santa's lap with my brother. And he looked at my brother and he said, What do you want for Christmas, little boy? And my brother said, and he says to me, and what do you want for Christmas? Little boy, I said, I'm a girl. And I'm Jewish. And I kicked Santa and I ran you know, so yes, I've always been this way. And I I just think like I hear I get it from my grandmother, but she died when I was two but I hear like she was the same way. You know, my dad and I were so impossibly close. And you know, my grandmother was the kind of person who said You know, if you have nothing nice to say sit next to me. And my father used to call me like daily saying, Do you want to gossip Far be it for me to tell you but you know, so I just think that truth is better when it is It's just just that direct. And I think I have to have humor, because I make fun on myself more than anybody else can. And I think a lot of people, they take themselves so seriously. So yes, I've always been this direct, I think, you know, I was always like a fat kid. And my mother was always like, so tough on me. So I think I use humor as a defense mechanism. And I think, you know, it's just me being direct, like an hour. All right, well, I'm fat, but you're you and I'm great. And I believe my father's version of me. So you know, I think that's where it came from. Yeah,
Molly Dare 5:33
I have to say one of my favorite qualities, actually, the most attractive quality for me in someone else is the ability to make me laugh, the ability to find the humor in situations, the most unattractive quality is for someone who is just completely unable to poke fun at themselves and takes themselves way too seriously.
Rachel Weintraub 5:49
Just like not self aware. To the point where you're like Could you just stop it like, Oh, it's so much easier if you just laugh, like, when you do crisis communication, like, you know, we overlap in so many ways, you know, you do crisis, communication for many people who I have probably produced over the years. And what I love about what I love about your specifically is I have no idea who you're communicating for, which, you know, you really are a great boss, and we've had some beautiful conversations without you breaking privacy or me. But, you know, I forgot what I was about to say. But we we do have this way of like looking at situations and handling, like looking at people in the news or whatever, and analyzing it. And finally, just to this like, why didn't they just do that, like, and many times I think people you know, when something happens live, I think everybody, including the trained professionals are so shocked that their advice is terrible, because they didn't have time to, you know, really think
Molly Dare 6:49
it's so frustrating. You and I will message each other when we see someone in the public eye go through a crisis. Rachel, what do you think? And then, you know, I'm like, they're gonna release something within 24 hours. Do you think what they released was okay, do you think?
Rachel Weintraub 7:00
Don't you love doing that and so much. We have our own game, where we're like, who would say it better? You know, like, it's like, it's like John King Jonas has, what would you do? And we're like, what would you have said, you know, I think a lot. I think a lot of people talk too much. I think a lot of people talk too little. And a lot of people take too long to say something and they make it so much more important than it needs to be. Oh my god. I live in a condo and I hear them vacuuming outside. So yeah, okay. Thank God. You're editor's my like work a little sorry about that? Well, yeah, but I love doing that with you.
Molly Dare 7:39
Well, speaking of how you and I have different deliveries, I introduced you as nominated for 10 Emmys, you deliver it as a 10 time Emmy losing, which is always my favorite opening line of yours. Because you've been nominated 10 times you're like the Susan Lucci of Daytime Emmy nominations. But I want to talk about that because being Listen, you've been nominated 10 More times than I have. And I think that's something to brag about. Eight of those is for am i correct is for the view
Rachel Weintraub 8:10
Yeah, 8 were for the view and two were for CBS This Morning, which I have to tell you something, here's the deal I poke fun at and all that. But, you know, I poke fun at the losing and stuff and all that. But you know, when daytime started when it started, it was a really small community. I mean, this year, I think nine talk shows were just canceled. But when it started back in the day, when I got out of school, I was at a show called Rolanda with Rolando watts, you know, really smart journalists. She was huge in New York and then the King brothers gave her a nationally syndicated show. And I learned a lot really, really quickly I did the People's Court on from the People's Court, I went to oxygen that's where I met Gayle. And after that I ended up at the view and the thing is this Everybody's got their own style and it's very competitive. But you know, Gail taught me you know, you could cheer on your competition but still want to win. So it's a really like loving group of people so like you're competing against your friends and when you go to the Daytime Emmys you're on a red carpet next to Susan Lucci AND ELMO like it's it's not like being you know, at the primetime Emmys with like, I don't know, pick somebody amazing, you know, it's like it's just amazing for a different reason. It's like a high school reunion. Because we've all worked with each other everybody's related plenty people get married or date. And you know, like, I the first time I went it was really exciting and fun. I had just become a mom and I remember standing in LA on like the rooftop of like some hotel but like, I remember I used to smoke and drank and I had like a cigarette in one hand and a drink in the other and my heels in my hand and my husband was on the phone in New York and I was like hey, and that's nothing but I was having so much fun and losing like didn't matter. It was just fun to go party with everybody like I have a great picture that I really love. My Barbara Walters got her star on the Walk of Fame and, you know, we all flew out to do that because it was on emmy weekend and you know, and losing like who cares? It's so much fun to be on a team. It's like I was never athletic as a kid. But being on a team as an adult, I really felt like you know, I love sleepaway camp those that was a team for me, my mom, like those are my people. We're still friends, but and TV when you're on a team, it's like, you know, I get why people love sports so much like you know your daughter cheers. Like you know what teams are? Did you ever play sports? I don't even know if you played sports.
Molly Dare 10:33
No, I was no i they had to put me on a team. So I was JV second doubles my entire four years. Yes, JV. Second, doubles is like the beginner beginner place where they put you. Not even every school. Yes, but I was there all four years consecutively. If nothing else, I was consistent. So that's that's Molly's athleticism in a nutshell.
Rachel Weintraub 10:55
Yeah, you know, it's funny. My best friend's daughter who I call my niece, Reese is in such a killer tennis player. Clearly look at these kids now. Like they're amazing. And I'm like, I was not that when Mara was young, My child Mara played like lacrosse was the goalie played this play that. And then they like drop sports completely. And I was so happy because oh my god, this is a horrible, like, whenever I talk to you and you're in the parking lot for cheer I die.
Molly Dare 11:21
I have to go back to the view. Because your view stories are some of my favorite stories. They really are. And I know you can't disguise it all.
Rachel Weintraub 11:30
Honestly, they were
Molly Dare 11:32
Then we're going going in. Okay. eight seasons producing and you were there in the beginning. And it's kind of changed over the years.
Rachel Weintraub 11:40
I started. Yeah,
Molly Dare 11:43
what was the energy like when you were there?
Rachel Weintraub 11:46
Ah, I have to tell you every time this is why Facebook is good. I'm gonna say this. Facebook is good because it's like going to reunion every day. And it always pops up that we got to keep up with each other's lives. But like the other day, Doris Day, who's like the top, she's like a top dermatologist. She's also one of my favorite people. We met at the view and I put her on TV there. She was recommended and I put her on. And she put a post up of one of her early appearances thanking me and Bill Geddie yesterday, and everybody wrote in the post off those were the days like it was the best of the times. And listen, there are people at the view who've been there since day one, like over 25 years now. They've never worked anywhere else. So when Bill Geddie was there, the view was in the daytime. It was an ABC daytime. And now it's in the news division. It's a different show. But we had a ball like the show backstage was crazier than the show on stage. And back then, you know, it was hot topics. It was like, you know, it wasn't as political. And then when the politics started coming, I was there. But it was really cool. Like when I left on Barack Obama had just been on and producer Audrey Jones had done the interview. And I was like, oh my god, like I came here when Elizabeth Hasselbeck got off survivor and became a host and now Barack Obama is here like, everybody came Republicans Democrat, like it was it was really cool to see the show. keep evolving. And you know, listen, Whoopie, Rosie, Meredith, I started when Meredith was the moderator. And then, you know, there have been so many people that I forget everybody, but now like, you know, we're all still friends, the producers and stuff. And it really was like, the best place to grow up like we all got married together, had babies together divorces, like, you know, went to weddings, you know, some filmed for TV. It was good. And then um, yeah, now I watched the video. And you know what, like, those were my friends. I cheer them on. It's very different now. Than Yeah, yeah.
Molly Dare 13:44
Can I ask of the people who you were working with at the time? Who was the easiest to work with? And who was the most difficult?
Rachel Weintraub 13:52
All right, ah, you're gonna go, I don't believe you. But producing the host was really fun. I only have one child. So I used to think this sounds so condescending, but it's not. I used to think that I had six children because there were five hosts, but the director and then my senior producer, dusty Connell, a really talented producer and Bill Geddie was the boss. So it's like, who was easy? I mean, here's the thing. Nobody was a pain in the ass. And I know no one believes that. But to the producers, like, they were really, really grateful for us and good to us. But the easiest. Sherry was up for anything. I mean, and now she's getting her own show. And you know, Sherry always remembered where she came from. And you have to understand like, like Sherry came on and she had just had Geoffrey like, you know, her baby and like she just she had just struggled like so much in her career and hung in there and she was easy. Hasselbeck was easy. You know, she had come off survivor, I think done a show about like, in a mall where she was dressing people. She was super easy, but remember, you know Whoopie was like super easy, but this was an EGOT winner and She was super cool. And you know, they all just had different styles. I mean, Joy. And like, you know, she's been there since you know, day one. The other day she says she was fired
Molly Dare 15:11
since I forgot
Rachel Weintraub 15:13
Forgot. But you know what I have to tell you, Barbara. All right. So this was I forget I always forget like Barbara, but difficult. This is the thing. People thought Barbara was difficult, but Barbara made everything better. Was it like a pain in the ass sometimes? Like sure, but the she had the best sense of humor ever. I remember going into briefer about okay, when I first started, this is actually funny. I called her miss Walters the first time I met her because you have to understand. In sixth grade Miss Martin asked me what I wanted to be when I grew up. And I said Barbara Walters. So I at the view, they don't just hire you. You have to like audition for three months. So when I met her for the first time, I called her miss Walters. And she like looked at me and I'm like, and I was like, I guess we don't call her miss Walters. Okay, like note to self, Barbara. And then we ended up like having this like great relationship. And she would say I'm in Wyoming. Why do I care? In other words, she was inclusive, like trying to get everybody in the country to be interested in something but the funniest story was she had a very dirty sense of humor. And I remember Jenna Jameson was coming on and I am a very big fan of people in porn. Sex workers. I, listen, My best friend from sleepaway camp ended up in a harem in Brunei and her story became a New York Times bestseller. Yes, I know. You know, interesting people. Molly Dare, but was your best friend in a harem in brunei? I don't think so. No, she came on there. My best friend came on the view. Her story was called some girls my life in a harem, Jillian Lauren, she's an amazing writer. Anyway, I went into brief Barbara, about about Jenna. And Barbara is like looking at me, I go, Barbara, let me explain this to you know how you're the best of what you do for a living. So is she, she just does it without her clothes on but she owns her own business. And she makes more money than anybody. And she beat all the men to do it. And Barbara was in like, I had sold it to her I had showed her like the commonality. And she showed got out there and she listened. She showed respect for like everybody. And you know, like all these stories come out about Barbara like kicking people under the table and all that stuff. But you know, never the producer. So to be a producer was a real joy and pleasure.
Molly Dare 17:27
You're not within kicking distance is what you're saying.
Rachel Weintraub 17:31
She was funny. I remember one time we were in the elevator together. And I don't know who was on but the Secret Service was there with the dogs. And we're in the elevator and I pet the dog and the dog jumped and Barbara is like Rachel, she's like you never got the dog. So I'm sorry, Barbara. Now I have I have a signed copy of her book, you know, and she wrote some It's over there. I'm looking over like you could see it but something about how like I made her day is like so much brighter and like she was like my, like my idol. So Oh, no, listen, she she's just, I I've never met anybody like her I think most people who hosted the view, they were just an extraordinary, extraordinarily hard job.
Molly Dare 18:17
So all the hosts were good. I want to get to some of the guests because you've got some great, great guest stories. Who was the most difficult guest that you had on?
Rachel Weintraub 18:28
Okay, honestly, this is a very boring answer. But I have one answer, and he is my truth. There is a comedian Kevin Pollak. You might have to google him, but he's done some amazing stuff and like great projects, but he was like so untrusting he would say like, you have this picture, do you have that, this. He was very difficult. I don't know. Maybe he was having a bad day. But I did not like him. When he left. I was thrilled. And then oh. I know something. This is funny. Michael Vartan told me so many great stories on the phone, like amazing. He did the best pre interview. And then he showed up and and he wouldn't. He was like, No, I'm not going to talk about this. I'm not going to talk about like, I go Michael you know how this works. We do a pre interview because that's what's gonna happen. You know, we're gonna try to get the stories on TV. And he just pulled back and I had to go to the host. We're not talking about this that, you know, we don't ambush anybody
Molly Dare 18:34
even as a podcaster it's happened to me. It's it's like the worst thing because you you bring them on because they have interesting stories to share things that they've learned. And then when they get on they just they just completely It's so frustrating.
Rachel Weintraub 19:37
Molly dare I looked at Michael Vartan. I went from so excited to I am going to like cry. Because you know, listen, when you want to sell something, I think I mean, you know this but people don't. When people say in my book in my book, my book like no one's buying your book. People have to fall in love with you and then not buy whatever the house plugs you know, but like, just be yourself. tell great stories again. Don't take yourself so seriously. It's ridiculous. So yeah, so Kevin Pollak was just not like, he just didn't come to play. And Michael just was probably he was a very nice person, but he's like, Oh, I can't talk about that. I can't. I'm like, so he was very nice, but just would not talk about certain things. And I was bummed.
Molly Dare 20:17
I need you just share the Courtney Love Story.
Rachel Weintraub 20:21
Oh, the running around. Courtney Love, I don't remember why she was on but I was psyched. I always raised my hands for like, the fun people, the quirky people, like, you know, whatever. And Courtney came on, and for whatever reason, she like it was like 30 seconds before she was going on. And we had already been upstairs and smoked a million cigarettes together. We had bonded we had connected her old business partner was an ex boyfriends wife. And like, you know, we'd gone through everything, and we had a lot of fun together. And she was like, naked, and I'm like, Courtney, we have to get upstairs, you know. And she's running around the hallways literally like, like naked, like, at least topless like running around and chasing her around the hallway. And we shared a floor with all my children. And I'm like, don't go out that door like you're chasing, chasing, chasing and, you know, finally literally 30 seconds before she's walking out. She threw something on it. She like hopped out on a broomstick. I mean, she was the sweetest could be. She was as sweet as could be. And just so funny, but you know, that was the kind of thing only at the view. I mean, Steve Martin one day like, I've always had a crush on Steve Martin.
Molly Dare 21:31
It just reminds me of my dad.
Rachel Weintraub 21:35
Oh, that's so funny. You know, I've seen a picture of your dad. I see that. I just did and I'm not saying your dad is sexy because I don't know. But Steve martin always found I've always found like, just sexy. You know, he's smart. He's just whatever. And I went in the room to brief him and he asked everybody else to leave the room and he shut the door and I was like, oh my god, I'm like back to have like a dream come true. Which he played the banjo for me. It was amazing.
Molly Dare 22:03
It was like one of the scenes in the in his movie which movie where he's playing that. Oh, my God. Love him so much.
Rachel Weintraub 22:09
Oh, the jerk. Did he play the banjo in the jefk?
Molly Dare 22:12
He played. That's like his thing. Right,
Rachel Weintraub 22:15
Molly? Yeah, yeah, he had like a whole band and everything. But Molly. When he started playing the banjo with the door shut, I almost died. And another person who shut the door who I thought was very cool was James Spader. That was really funny. And we are like, like bringing up something better. But my favorite story, which I've I've told before, but I love telling it. Everybody knows that. I'm a massive Bruce Springsteen fan. I love him. I grew up in I'm like, every I grew up where we all have a story because we all grew up in the town next to him. And you know, oh, well, my uncle went to high school and my brother did he beat him up. And we all have stories. Anyway, Patti scialfa, otherwise known as Bruce's wife was coming on the show. And of course, I said I would produce her. So I went upstairs and everybody's there. And I walked into the, into their dressing room. And nobody told me but I walked in. And Bruce was sitting there. So I had it be professional. But of course, I was excited. But very quickly on my feet. I said, Hi, Mr. Scialfa. You know, welcome to the view. I said, it's good to see you. And I said, but today's about her, it's not about you. He jumped up and he gave me a huge hug. And then Patty like loved it. She was like, so excited. And he went upstairs to check the sound and everything. Like we had a great, great, great performance. And he was just like, thrilled. But when I said it's not about you, it's about her and I called him Mr. Scialfa. It was really fun. And I was so proud of myself for not not losing it, you know, because I love him. But I don't like meeting people that I love because I like to keep the fantasy alive. And you know, Gail, true. I've worked with Gail for so long and gal is, you know, very close with Bruce and Patti like, you know, there's this, you know, these celebrity groups of friends and, and I feel like I don't want to hear any Bruce stories. I don't hear any this because I just, you know, I went to see them on Broadway a few times. I love them. I've been to a million shows, but calling him Mr. Scialfa I was so proud of myself. Like that was awesome.
Molly Dare 24:11
Well, you know, it's so interesting, because I find too, it's like there's people that you just put in these pedestals or they just are a big part of your childhood or whatever. You don't want to ruin the fantasy. And I've had it work both ways. I've had people who were even better in real life and it just like blew my mind and I people I was like, eh not so great.
Rachel Weintraub 24:29
LL Cool J, I've always been a LL like when I was a child, I've always had a thing for ll always. And you know, I grew up in New Jersey and my camp friends and my college friends were always from Long Island. We used to drive by his house and Dix hills and like do the drive by hoping to see you know, the Smiths. And he came to the view one day and everyone's like, Oh my God, you know, Rachel and I'm like, Oh, I have a picture of us together. I am so tan but I am bright red, and he hugged me I was losing my mind and Then in the opposite direction. I have like this fear with like facial tattoos. I have no idea what it is with me. I appreciate the art. But little Wayne was in the building. And I went very far away and I was watching it on the feed and I was like choking, like I was getting so uncomfortable. I was like, Yeah, it's like this, but he's so talented, but for whatever reason, it was grossly uncomfortable. I mean, I've had moments where I've been just
Molly Dare 25:24
Have you had any strange requests from anyone, like I know how they submit their riders and whatever Has anyone had just like elaborate requests, or weird requests, like in their greenroom.
Rachel Weintraub 25:35
I know I'm gonna be truthful at the view. Nothing absurd that I remember like nothing crazy. Like I've seen riders that are absurd, but no, not at the view. I mean, I remember Gaga doing the view like when we were in Los Angeles once and she was just incredible. And you know, Bill Geddie, like you know, the EP at the time. And Mark genteel the director at the time, they really brought on like built books on really like young talent, and Mark made these really elaborate performances and celebrities really enjoyed coming.
Molly Dare 26:09
They were so thankful to be on it because it was such a big deal. Such a huge I also
Rachel Weintraub 26:13
loved Mark directed and produced like these beautiful musical performances. So I remember ever nobody got crazy, I think the one what show was I on? I told her I remember what show I was on. Oh, shoot, this was such a funny story. And there was a writer, and it was crazy. And it was somebody who dam i Sorry, I can't remember something about a bottled water. And everybody Oh, I think it was when I was doing ice and cocoa. I was I was supervising producer on a preview for ice and cocoa and they were amazing. And I think there was a guest and I wanted this one kind of bottled water and everybody looked all over the place for it. And it turned out like that that make it anywhere but Colorado what it was like, that was boring. You can take that out. Who cares? Nobody cares about that. I'm Mrs. Jefferson Weezy Jefferson once you know, which was Weezy my, my first job I realized that I was a PA. So she wanted soup. So I went to the first avenue Dally and I got her some soup and I came back she's like, there's not enough salt in the soup. And I'm like, really, really salty. I took the thing of salt I said to say when that was shocking and and Grandpa monstered I mean, I'm updating us a lot right now. Now I work with like people who are you know, whatever. But he he was very dirty. And like, you know, dirty dirty. Not like dirty where he smells but dirty like, seriously? Yeah. Yeah, like, you know, but I love a lot of the people so much
Molly Dare 27:42
fun at it. And I think that's what draws you and myself to people. It's like the eccentricities and just, you know, I love meeting people who think differently, act differently, just go about their life differently have different story, like, Who do you like? Um, I love everybody for different reasons. i That's my very PC answer. I have to tell you who I was.
Rachel Weintraub 28:03
That's a really lame answer.
Molly Dare 28:04
I know. No, but I'll tell you I'll I will tell you who I was pleasantly really surprised by is Jeremy Piven because my my impression of him and I think most people impressions of him is ari gold, right? That like that? At all? No, not at all. He was actually really, really sweet. I spent a lot of time with him in different venues and getting to know him a little bit. And he was he was kind of pivoting in his career. And he was going from, you know, TV stardom and movie stardom, you know, and he was starting over. It's kind of like a stand up comic. He wanted to try something different and new and really test himself. And he acted very humble and like a beginner and it was he had no ego in the room. And he was honestly going to these other very well established well known famous comics, I got to sit with them in the greenroom. And he took out this little notebook, and he was like telling me what I did. Right. Tell me what I can improve. Tell me what it was like.
Rachel Weintraub 29:02
Yeah, with Jeremy specifically. Yeah, that's after he had gone through some stuff and was like working out and I because I remember meeting him when he was doing entourage and I think he was doing a play on Broadway or whatever, came to the viewer. And you know what, listen, I definitely liked him, but whatever. But I love seeing transformations and people. You know, I remember meeting I remember meeting Lindsay Lohan and producing her when she came from mean girls and she was like, you know, she was like, so like sweet and meta and like, you know, you were later it was like off the rails of bananas. I mean, Miley Cyrus, I remember Barbara doing an interview with her. She was like, maybe 15 And she was saying how she had her own her own wing of a house and I'm like, Oh, this is gonna be rough in a few years, you know, seeing a lot and now she's grown into this like incredible adult but like seeing people you know, transform and flow and handle changes or rebound. You know, I do Love that a lot that I that I love.
Molly Dare 30:02
What's so interesting Rachel and and you work a lot on this now because you you consult with a lot of people who are looking to kind of get into this field. And you know, fame is a very tricky thing that people for whatever reason, want. They want to and this is what I've learned along the way and tell me if you feel differently is that I understand the wanting for more exposure, the wanting for a larger stage in life, but I don't necessarily like for a business. Yes. But I don't necessarily want that level of fame. Because I think you and I have seen what that does do people, the people around you, they're like, it's not something to go after.
Rachel Weintraub 30:40
I only say when people come to me, so I have different parts of my life. Like when I have like a job like right now I'm just signing a deal to do a big project with JCE for meta JCE is the company Jesse Collins entertainment. They produce the Superbowl halftime show the last two years, they just did the Grammys, like they're, they're freaking amazing. And I think they're the most relevant production company out there. And I, I'm a huge fan, so to be working for them as a privilege. And you know, a meta, we're doing a project for them where you know, they're really like going all in on the metaverse. So I'm learning a lot of new stuff. But when I'm not doing that kind of stuff, or inside the black box, I do have like personal clients, private clients, and I'm not a consult, I am a consultant. I'm not a coach. I'm like a private producer. And I apply the skills that I use on my projects to people who are not on air, you know, or whatever. So, you know, they might want a higher profile, or they might need to like be prepared to like, you know, just interface with bigger people or whatever it is that when people come to me, I say you're here because you want to help people you want to make money or you want to be famous. I said I don't care as long as the check clears. I will help you do whatever it is that you want. But if you're here for something, don't expect me just to say yes, because what you want might not be the right path for you. And and I do talk to them about fame and like, you know, raising your profile and losing anonymity like people. You know, listen, I think you and I when we were on clubhouse together, we bumped into a lot of people who really wanted to be famous and I and and for the life of me, I could not understand why. And you know, there's nothing wrong with you know, wanting to help people and make money at the same time. Or, you know, listen, I have I have one, one person Vernay Meyers, who was acquired she started off as a keynote speaker. We still work together. She is now the vice president of inclusion strategy at Netflix. I was brought on by her CEO to help raise Vernays profile. But you know, Vernay was somebody she's very unusual. She had a talent. She spoke in her keynote speeches to Fortune five hundreds to NGOs to like, you know, big organizations about diversity, inclusion and equity. And this was before it was you know, a thing. And she was a Harvard, she went to Barnard was a Harvard trained law lawyer born in Baltimore. And when I met her, she called herself a recovering attorney. And her company would go in and train you know, all of these huge firms on different DNI matters. So I would work with her on her speeches and all this stuff. But but I'd say to her, you know, like, where do you see yourself? What do you want to do? And she was the most unusual person. When I met her. She reminds me of my two favorite people. It was like Gail King and my father. And I said, Oh, no, she wouldn't. She's She's literally singular she is. She's on my personal board of directors. You know, I think everybody should have a board of directors in their life of people who they trust. And I know you're actually on mine, too. And Vernay is, you know, so I said, Sure. They'll do you want to be well known. Why do you want to be famous? I said, you know, because it really is. And I don't know if you're cut out for that. So I think what her company originally intended for her was one thing, but what we ended up doing like she ended up you know, downsized several company tremendously and she became Netflix, they created the position of Vice President included inclusion strategy, you know, global and that's her, so she is very famous in her industry. She is incredibly well known throughout entertainment. Now, she's well known in so many different fields, but you could be well known but not famous and just so well respected. So she has a degree of anonymity. She could go around the world and
Molly Dare 34:26
That's the key, I would rather be well respected than known 110%
Rachel Weintraub 34:34
Vernay I look at Vernay and to a crowd of people. She is a celebrity. She is a rock star she is and I just think I look at her and you know what? It didn't come to her till later in life. I mean, she was over 50 When she started on Netflix, I think almost 60 And she is just somebody you know, I've had these unbelievable examples of women in my career. Who every birthday as they get older, they are better and Vernay, Gail, I mean the list goes on and on and on. Like Joy Behar didn't get into comedy till she was 40 I think, but I'm just saying that I think timing is really important. Do you have the maturity? Like, do you have the bandwidth? Do you know mentally? Like, are you aligned? Like you know who you are? You know, like, like it applies in everyday life to Molly doesn't it? It's like, we're both single, you know, we we have kids were sent out. You know, I've had Scott in my life for like four and a half years, but I'm in no rush to get married. Like I want my I want Mara to be like out of the house and done. I just think there is a time and a place for everything.
Molly Dare 35:35
I was just having this conversation about having it all right, this notion of having it all I was having this conversation with Kim Kaupe, and that you can't have it all at the same time. But we all think we we can have it all at different points in our life. But at the same time, it's this inconceivable notion that that is almost unobtainable, we can make sacrifices we can have have different things at different time. But it's all about what's your personal preference, what matters to you and where your priorities are. How do you know yeah,
Rachel Weintraub 36:07
you know, I think bounce is bullshit. It's all about alignment. So such like, who and who and whom we kidding. It's like, you have to have help. You have to have help so that whether that's people you can hire or people in your world who will show up for you. You absolutely can do it all but you cannot do it alone. You can't do it alone. You need a lot of help. And you know, I have it's funny you know Facebook has like memories on this day. I have pictures of like Mara when I left CBS News Mara was I think I think I was about seven smashing one of my phones because I had three smashing it with a hammer dropping and into water. Mara used to leave me notes saying Are you ever coming home like it was it was like and let me be very clear I did not feel guilty I did not feel guilty because I was being an excellent example. And my kid is very independent to this day. Mara is 16 Mara has already interned at the ACLU not enter like to the program at the ACLU Mara like very aware of errors the wrong person like matters like narrowed like this essay to get into brown summer saying that they were the only fat Jewish, gender fluid lesbian in their child progressive in their town and I was like, at 16 I was like, what car Am I getting? Like my kid is so so I have to tell you I know now that you know and also let me tell Mara's father, it's like I might be divorced. But I'm not a single mother might Maris fathers like very involved. We always had help, you know, my in laws lived around the corner. It's like, we were never alone. So I have to be very clear that it's not like I was the struggling single mother. I mean, there are times financially where it has been horrific ly terrifying to me. Like I have to tell you like Tuesday, I'm closing on a refi on my condo. And when I was getting divorced, you know, my brother in law had a cosign for me to buy this condo, and I'm getting him off of it on Tuesday. It's a huge accomplishment, like, I'm so excited, you know, but it's like, I don't feel guilty. But I look back at this stuff. And I'm like, Wow, this kid was hurting and they were telling me but at the same time, I think if I was around Mara would not be who Mara is now.
Molly Dare 38:19
and I you know, I battled that to obviously, you know, being a working mom and a single mom, like there's definitely things that I miss. They also have a dad, you know, who was very involved too, when you see me traveling, it's because they're with their dad, I didn't leave them and be like, Oh, you later hope for the best.
Rachel Weintraub 38:36
Let me tell you something, there are perks to being divorced. There are the shared custody, the joint custody, whatever, it does free you up to do your stuff. And if you can co parent effectively and just be parents effectively. You both win everybody wins, especially the kids like Mara sees now like Johnny on my ex husband has a great relationship. I have one Maras happy and we all achieve what we can achieve. I my ex husband have to tell you something. I'm a far better ex wife than I was a wife. And I know that's true. I know that my job. Yes, my job came first. Like I said, I would argue I bet you we're both pretty phenomenal. Like Scott looks at me. He's like, are you crazy? I'm like, No, it matters. His wellbeing and happiness matters to me. I said he is my friend. He is Maris father. But you know, when I was married, it was about my work. My child, my friends, my parents like he was very like, I wasn't a good wife. I was not a good wife.
Molly Dare 39:32
Well, I have to say, you say that you have one child who is amazing, but you actually have two because you birthed for seven years inside the black box, which is your second chuckles right seven years of that making people think these things just happen overnight. You come up with this idea. It gets filmed and then it goes right into you know, a network or strange or wherever inside talk to me a little bit about the inside the black box where people can watch it and kind of what the idea give me all the stuff
Rachel Weintraub 39:59
Literally. really in a very short story inside the black box has two mommies. Tracy Moore is a celebrity acting coach was she got she came to fame kind of transitioning rappers to actor so from Busta Rhymes to Cardi B and everybody in between. Tracy I actually cast Tracy and oxygen like 20 years ago on a show with Gail. That's how we met. Seven years ago, I walked into iHeartRadio where I was consulting and Dave Cullen, Dr. Dave Cullen said, oh, I want you to meet and she goes, Rachel, and I said, Tracy, and we knew each other and it was really cool. And he said, Tracy has this idea. It was called a spirited actor. It was about like, kind of being black, a black actor, and we talked about being black and Hollywood. He said, let me know if you can make it into a show. And sure enough, you know, we made a pilot about being black in entertainment, obviously, I don't know what it's like to be black and entertainment. I have worked with a lot of black people in entertainment. Women specifically of power, you know, which is very unusual. It's a different perspective. So we did the pilot. We casted a Joe Morton, who was Tracy's friend's father Joe was on scandal at the time and like 50 million other things and I always love to from a different world because he was like Whitney's fiancee what she left for dream them. I love Whitney in dream Anyway, moving on. We have Malik Yoba, who is incredible. And the girl are at Brandeis daily, and we shot the pilot. And like nothing, nothing happened. And then Joe saw the pilot, and he went out to LA and he said I want to be a part of it. He wanted to be a co host and he wanted to be an EP on it. It was great. The morning after Tracee Ellis Ross won the Golden Globe for Best Actress in a Comedy for Blackish. It was like the first time a black woman had one I called my agency. They're like, we ran up and down the hallways. Nobody knows who Malik Yoba is Joe Moore. And I'm like, nobody knows much a scandal. I was like, fuck you. I was very like, I think I still owe them money. But I don't care. They're horrible. So then I left that agency we really hung in. And then the pandemic happened and the world changed. And the only thing that made it different in a world that you know, black people were being killed constantly. But now we're all home to see it. So the consciousness was raised. And I think the timing was right. And Dr. Dave knew a guy bought an hour. They had worked together back in the day at MTV. And Bob knew David Oza Crapo, who is like the president of vying for that would have titles but now he runs another studio. And they they bought the show, and they got an amazing team behind it. They gave us 10 episodes, we produce the episodes, and they stream on crapple. Now, but, you know, this is why I like to tell people it's like Howard Stern when celebrities are telling Howard these stories, and they almost forget that they're on the radio because they become so that's what happens on this show. So people are people are telling like serious truth. And they're in this very safe environment. And I told you this, I broke my ankle the first day of taping, so I was out for the rest. But I had done my job because it's not my job to tell a story or this or that it was my job to kind of just shape it and give it give it some whatever. But it's all crapple. Oh, it's streaming. Yeah, so I'll have this season two announcement like any second, I you know, fingers crossed. But you know, the general came on board as a sponsor, and I'm really super proud of it. Because I really do believe that life is about conversations and moving the ball forward. And you know, I learned something new every day. I mean, Tracy is this very dynamic person, I mean, the most impactful thing and this is what I was gonna say is, I said, Tracy, this is a place where we don't say African American or people of color, I say say black say this, whatever you want to say. She's like, well, Rachel, I've been called a negro an N word, black. This that shows I don't even know how to identify myself sometimes it I looked at her and I'm like, I'm like, You know what? So So Joe Morton brings this ton of history and Tracy brings us experience as a casting director at a college and the audience is filled with you know, up and coming actors and stuff like that. And we give them extraordinary opportunities to meet you know, legends and icons and I can say icons and you know, opportunity and it's an amazing it's a it's a beautiful space and I love it. I do love it.
Molly Dare 44:14
I love it too. And I'm so proud of you and I know how much work went into it for for those who are listening who you know, either have a podcast or a show idea whatever that is for them. What are some things that they can be doing now to prepare themselves to get ready for that next step? What would you suggest for them?
Rachel Weintraub 44:33
That's a good question, Moll. I have to tell you I think right now back in the day, seven years ago, there was no like Instagram and this and that and I don't think there was instagram seven years ago or at least it wasn't Instagram Live.
Molly Dare 44:46
It wasn't as big as it is. Now. You didn't have that story feature you didn't I mean, it was just very basic photo.
Rachel Weintraub 44:51
So I think the best thing to do is get your face and your space your message out and you there is no reason why with fireside and all these other platforms where you can practice. And the one thing I want to tell people is do not invest any money in doing this, if you want to, like, you know, make a sizzle tape, you know, like a three minute thing, shoot it on iPhones,
Molly Dare 45:12
ask them what she tells me all the time, because I'm always like, I want to do this this the minute that she's like, Molly, no,
Rachel Weintraub 45:18
put your money away? Yeah, do you need as a proof of concept? Do you need a proof of concept. So shoot it on your iPhone, get your 10 year old to edit for you on iMovie or whatever it is. And like literally, like don't don't waste money on production. Like when people light up, or it's a concept or it's a personality or whatever, we can see that and then people will invest to make it work. You know, I don't think you need an agent. I think you know, you want to look for a production company whose work that you love. Look at someone's who career who you love. And you have to get out. You have to knock on a lot of doors. I mean, Mark, my favorite show on TV right now. My favorite show is godfather of Harlem. It's on Fx, I love anything mafia related. And this is the story of Bumpy Johnson, who ran Harlem and he was like, you know that he was black and he ran Harlem. But he he had to be in with all five of the Italian families who controlled like the rest of New York. And, you know, he was from South Carolina, North Carolina, and he came out to be a lawyer, but he didn't do it. So he ended up to be like a businessman. And the story started because this guy Mark Ron Smith, his godmother was bumpy's his granddaughter and he used to talk to her hear all these stories about her fan base father a grim anyway, nice to hear all these stories about bumpy from him. And you know, she wanted people to know who he really was. And it took him 18 years, 18 years to develop and sell this show. And when I tell you, it is so freakin phenomenal. So now he's an he's a co creator, no, he's the creator. He is an executive producer, he had audition to get a role on his own show. So he plays Junie bourbon, it took him 18 years but lucky that Forrest Whitaker in the lead. Like it's, it's a phenomenal thing. So you have to have patience, you have to have timing, I hate the fact that I took a pandemic. And you know, the continuation of you know, black people getting killed and killed and killed for my people to kind of, you know, they still put our show on, I still started during Black History Month, and I just My goal is to make sure this is not a black history month project. This is everyday raising awareness and listening to people. But you have to hang in there everybody, like if you have an idea, you got it. Like, so many people heard No, before they heard Yeah, so you have to go try it out. It's like, it's like comics, they work with their material in very small places and everything. You have to work your material in small places, like start small, and then find a production company that you like, and try to give it to them. And you know, because you can't just sell a show to Netflix, if you've never done a show, they're gonna say to you, well, there's a production company and then that production company is going to take the money, you're gonna end up with nothing. So it's better to like kind of like skip over things. There's a million different ways to get to people. I've met honestly on social and through it like Molly, like we've been, we've introduced meaning met like so many people through each other. So I think not only send your stuff to anybody who will watch it, but you have to really get to know people and invest time and people and
Molly Dare 48:22
build relationships are so important in nurturing relationships. It's honestly like my advice to anybody is whatever industry you're in entertainment or any industry, nurture your relationships first before you pitch before you go right for you know that this is what I want. First you got to work on those relationships, you got to develop the trust you have to develop like people are very mistrusting, especially in the entertainment industry, you got to prove yourself. So
Rachel Weintraub 48:48
listen, not only them, it's trusting. They're used to being asked for stuff and favors and this and that in every industry. But in the words of the great Gayle King, if you don't ask you don't get however, be decisive, be respectful, make it easy, like come prepared, be prepared to be rejected. But you know, when you're cultivating relationships, it's super, super, super important. You can't cultivate the relationship just to get something out of it. You know, it's just it's right away. Like immediately immediately people there's so many people who we've both encountered and where you're not I could probably help this person but I don't want to
Molly Dare 49:33
the point in your life where and so am i where it's like I just want to work with the people who I want to be around like I it's just I don't do we know how annoying it is to a company
Rachel Weintraub 49:42
is called appropriately selfish.
Molly Dare 49:45
It's my most favorite title name ever appropriately selfish. It's just like, it's so such a perfect phrase. Right and for how we should be.
Rachel Weintraub 49:57
Appropriately selfish is what happens when you've done a lot lost a lot and kind of like produced your own comeback, and now you have to live some life. So it's like, you know, I think we all go through life to an extent, you know, the first time around, like building building building. And then, you know, sometimes, you know, you lose lots like, you know, I was working I, you know, when I got to CBS News, I was just holding on by a thread, you know, I wasn't a news person, I was a people person, I found a way to succeed, but I realized, you know, what, I might be a great producer. But news might not be my thing. I found a way to do well, but it was a mutual parting. And I'm grateful to Chris left to now run CNN, because, you know, he helped me go and was like, he was incredible about it. And we laughed about it. I think it was just, he was the best. So anyway, what I'm saying is, well, because your greatest selling doesn't mean, you're great at everything, and you have to accept when you suck, okay, so when I left CBS, I was like, I was really burnt out. And I spent them on like sleep and going to doctor's appointments and all that stuff. And I tried to like do some stuff, and I just wasn't hitting my stride. There was like, just, it wasn't right. So I, my father died. And he was like, my foundation, my dad, so I had to really like reorganize everything. And I lost weight, I got healthy. And, you know, like I said, I wasn't a great wife, I'm a great ex wife filed for divorce, I created the company, I called it appropriately selfish. Because I felt like at that time in my life at 43 years old, it was time to put myself first so everybody else around me could win. And I've always been a person who has no problem saying no, that's never been my problem. So I'm not going to give you the half you have to say no speech, because you should know that already. I feel like I grew up at Oprah university, you know, you change your mind don't
Molly Dare 51:43
want to interrupt, but I have to stop there. Because what you said is so, so, so important and special. And I'm 43. So I'm right, where you are at appropriately selfish, is I had to put myself first so that everyone around me could win. And I love that. So I just wanted to highlight that, because I think that is so so important. I love how you just said that.
Rachel Weintraub 52:01
And that's the the reason the word is appropriately, it's appropriate to put yourself first it's appropriate, because you're putting yourself first and I remember calling Gail said, I'm going to call my company appropriately selfish with each of us. I don't like the word selfish and anything I'm like, you just don't get it though. I have a negative
Molly Dare 52:18
connotation. And it really shouldn't. It really shouldn't. appropriately.
Rachel Weintraub 52:23
It's like when the when the show, The Biggest Loser came out, people were mortified, but then they realized it was like, Oh, I get it, you know, so appropriately selfish is actually quite empowering. And, you know, look, I there's so many people, especially women who are live started off one way and we build and we build and as usually that relationship evolved, or you know, there's a divorce or a death or whatever it is, and our career, you know, suffers or we fuck up. And, you know, like, I have clients who went to jail came out rebuilt, you know, they weren't murderers, they were like, tax evaders, or whatever it was. And, you know, like, you know, you'd like to say fail forward, so they don't just fail forward. But they, they, they, they rebuilt, they produce their comebacks, and they know now that you really do have to look out for yourself. Like when I got divorced, I hired an attorney and accountant to get everything in line. And the accountant was amazing, up until like, last year, when I made like, a ton of money. And I'm like, Wait, he didn't take out the right amount of money, how much do I owe? And then I was back at zero and I was like, fuck, you know, I was. So like, as soon as that refi is over tomorrow, so we'll see. So I'm very excited.
Molly Dare 53:29
I love it that you and I both love, you know, the comeback story and watching people shine and I want to get everyone, just some information if they want to connect with you. Where's the best place to reach you?
Rachel Weintraub 53:41
Okay, so on my Instagram, it's @RachelWeintraub or @appropriatelyselfish, which I don't know why I have two at this point, but whatever. There's, I have a on what am I have? I have like a socio tab. So it's a link to me with my email and whatever. And I really do like working with people like now I'm doing this project. So it's gonna take me, I'm gonna do that for a while. But, you know, again, timing is the right thing. So if there's time to work together, you know, it would be nice with certain people. I only say yes to people that I believe in, which I think is really important. I think doing things for the money is a mistake, no matter how broke you are. It's a huge mistake. I have no method to my process at all zero, I just really get to know people. And you know, I really I don't have a method to what I do at all. It's
Molly Dare 54:28
amazing. You're amazing at what you do. And you're the person that I go to that says anything to anybody, for
Rachel Weintraub 54:33
people to ask you. Do people ask you like they ask you for deliverables and I look at them and I'm like, do you have deliverables that you say oh, you're gonna end up with this, this and that? Well,
Molly Dare 54:42
with my Spotlight Series, like I have my deliverables, yes. But there's other things that people will you know, with crisis management or something like that every everything is different. It's like it's case by case person, by person, whatever you need, but you and I think are very good at seeing what the what the scope is what the person needs and figuring it out. out as we go. And that's what we're really good at.
Rachel Weintraub 55:02
Yeah, I always say results are not guaranteed, but you're gonna learn a lot, you're gonna be guaranteed you're gonna have fun, you're gonna learn a lot, you know, and you're gonna see yourself differently. And then you know, it's up to people to make things happen for them, that says, you hire people to consult and stuff like, that doesn't mean they're going to do the work. It really does come down to you. And like, who you are, yeah, you could get a higher team. But like I said, I hired a cannon. I ignored it. I thought he was doing his job. That's on me. It's not on him. Yeah, that's
Molly Dare 55:35
absolute joy to speak to, I can speak to you for hours, obviously, clearly. Because I absolutely love and this is what people need in life, and is your straightforward advice and your friendship and just how much you have guided and helped me among so many others. This past year, you guys, our list is incredible. So grateful to know you and learn from you. And so happy to have my audience be able to do the same. I think I feel the
Rachel Weintraub 56:00
same about you. I really, it's amazing that we were able to it's funny, in a pandemic, I know you're wrapping, but I in the pandemic, it was so funny, I realized 90% of the people in my life, I did not need. And I came out of the pandemic with people who really, really, really, were my kind of people like we understood each other on on a level because there was so much commonality. But you know, we fight we survive, we create, you know, we're moms, it's like it just, it just you have to you have to you know, find your people and for everybody who are just like trying to make it and whichever thing if people don't get you they're not your people keep going, you know, like I saw this beautiful thing online yesterday about a guy he gave his daughter a car and he said, see how much you'll get for it on this place. Just like they offered me $100 Take it to the dealer. They offered me $1,000 ticket to this antique car club. Dad, they offered me $100,000 For the car. And he said you have to know your audience. So that's a very little story. People need to know your value and you don't need to be rich or famous to bring value. I just know your value. That's important.
Molly Dare 57:15
Oh my gosh, what a perfect note to end on. Thank you so much, Rachel. It's been such a pleasure. I'll probably speak to in a few hours. We hang up thank you to everyone for joining us today and see you next week
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